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Post by clash on Dec 3, 2006 21:59:53 GMT
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Post by rick on Dec 4, 2006 3:03:46 GMT
Not sure about the guestion. From what I see, they are both F notes with an embellishment. One embllishment is a G grace note, the other embellishment is a half doubling on F
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Post by piperlady on Dec 4, 2006 3:51:37 GMT
I agree with Rick. But, some beginners might have a crossing noise on the first example which would cause them to sound the same. If they sound the same when you play them, you will have to go back and work on your G grace notes to get them clean.
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Post by mrzdavid on Dec 4, 2006 18:38:57 GMT
I also agree with the above. The notes are the same but the embellishments are not. The first is a simple g gracenote and the second (as rick says) is a half doubling. You'd normally play this from a high G or High A. With the g grace note you couldn't play this from a high G or high A. So, no, they are not the same.
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Post by FINN on Dec 5, 2006 0:31:16 GMT
i think it may depend on what type of music it is. like it may be seen in a modern piob for sake of expression, mabye hold that first F as tiny bit so it wold be heard, also depends on what note your coming from.
id have to see the context it was in to understand it more
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Post by mrzdavid on Dec 5, 2006 7:41:22 GMT
It doesn't matter what context it's in, those two movements are not the same.
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Post by rick on Dec 5, 2006 12:05:51 GMT
I guess they could "sound" the same if he was playing an F before the G gracenote - but from what is shown, they are not the same.
We could probably give better information if we knew the context or the reason the question was asked.
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Post by greginlondon on Dec 5, 2006 13:05:03 GMT
Clash, you've got me as confused as everyone else - do you have the right picture.
Both notes are 'f's, but the embellishments are different. How big a difference it makes will depend on the piece of music - it might drastically affect the rhythm of that section of the movement, but in another tune, a slow air possibly, the composer and/or player could select either.
As a straight answer, though, the melody notes are the same, the gracings are different, ergo, they are different.
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Post by clash on Dec 5, 2006 22:20:52 GMT
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Post by rick on Dec 6, 2006 3:25:45 GMT
In this "all high hand" case, you are playing a G (grace) to F, then A, then F - G (1/2 dbling) to F. So, you are repeating the F (third?) note. You can hear the phrase at: www.prosserplace.com/audio/FtoF.mp3
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