brik
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Post by brik on Feb 28, 2007 2:55:59 GMT
I am making windows fonts of the fingerings for all notes and embelishments and symbols, etc...then will create a visual basic for applications front end that will provide a popup in Word to allow a user to re-write a bagpipe song...the result will be in a format shown that provides a good deal of detail... Comments?
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brik
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Post by brik on Feb 28, 2007 2:58:51 GMT
I forgot to mention that the example above is the first part of Skye Boat Song...
Anyone see any fingering errors?
Also, where I dont show the state of chanter holes (no note circle), that means that the previous state (open or closed) for that hole remains unchanged from the preceeding note...
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brik
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Post by brik on Feb 28, 2007 3:00:57 GMT
Also, the notes that are circled above the staff are false fingered notes which can be gracenotes or some kind of transition...not true melody notes...
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pipermark84
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Post by pipermark84 on Feb 28, 2007 10:15:47 GMT
Only one comment really on the fingering.... your gracenotes are circled, but your throw's on D aren't - it looks like there played as normal notes - if you know what I mean? Same with your taurloaths. Since, effectively, they're gracenotes too, should they not be circled too, for some uniformality? Minor point, though
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brik
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Post by brik on Feb 28, 2007 11:41:36 GMT
I think I know what you mean...the duration, correct? If "duration" was correct, I was not looking at it like that because I cant really convey the timing/length to play. I think that has to be learned by listening and practice. As an example, the first D in the light D throw is fast, but it has the same open/closed chanter holes as a true melody note D. Correct? I didnt circle them in perticular because I was purposefully trying to draw the distiction between notes that have the same open/closed chanter holes as true melody notes, even though they may not be played very long...I think the upward pointing note makes the distinction that that perticular note is played very fast... ...does that make sense or no? or am I all wet
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pipermark84
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Post by pipermark84 on Feb 28, 2007 12:48:11 GMT
Aye, I think I can see where you are coming from now. So long as you get it, eh?
I dunno - you may still be wet behind the lugs - the number of slashes (or cuts) on a note determines the time it is played. Though, you have intrigued me - I wonder why the likes of gracenotes / tarluaths / etc point upwards....?
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Post by rick on Feb 28, 2007 14:05:01 GMT
Interesting exercise. I don't think I have seen the chanter fingerings show on whole pipe tunes before (tin whistle - yes).
Would the practical side of this be just for writing beginner books - or are there other opportunities ?
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cullen
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Post by cullen on Feb 28, 2007 15:20:37 GMT
Hi brik. In my opinion, if you're to the point of learning tunes than there is no need for all the additional info you have shown. For instance, I see beginners writing the corresponding letter of each note above the line as you have shown, but I don't recommend it. Why? Because it has no time value. It just adds to the confusion of keeping the beat and playing the note on the beat. Bagpipe music is all about memorization and repetition. Adding crutches in sheet music deters this natural progression. Tablature never really caught on for the bagpipes. Probably b/c of only having 9 notes? If you put it in your software, have it as a pop-up when you drag the pointer over the note/movement. I was getting a headache trying to read it, but it probably would help beginners when they come across a movement not normally played. I understand about wanting all the information on one page, but this is taking it to another level!
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Post by greginlondon on Feb 28, 2007 19:31:31 GMT
I think you've done really well in terms of making it work - someone withexperience of other instruments teaching themselves might well find it very useful. If you've ever had access to Joseph Macdonald's original tutor (written circa 1760, published about 1803 and subsequently) he tried to explain it all in a very similar way. Once you've got the hang of the basics, though, maybe after your first tune or three I suspect the extra information might become redundant. Certainly I suspect that a detailed explanation of each gracenote movementwill be useful for most people - your method does show which fingers have to be moved, but putting it into words will be needed for most learners to really get it 'into their heads'.
Good work all the same - I couldn't have done it.
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