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Post by FINN on Apr 4, 2005 20:40:54 GMT
well not many people here, but whats your oppion on the theoligys of the Piobaireachd. love it? hate it? dont care? thik its boring?
personaly i love them, they get tricky sometimes, but the ice slowness of the lot allows you to turn the tune into somthing of your own, whilts still capture the pure nature of the tune
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Post by piratepiper on Apr 9, 2005 14:13:33 GMT
I like it but don't like having to practice and practice and practice it again and again. I was along learning piobaireachd with a tutor and was playing and was really absorbed in the tune and I was in another place, then he crept up next to me and said faster-I shat myself!
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Post by rick on Apr 16, 2005 4:32:25 GMT
As a beginner, I don't know the difference between a Piobaireachd, Jig, Hornpipe, march, or Reel. There is something like "straighsbry" - also. I am sure I will learn about these later.
IMHO
What I have noticed when listening to pipes is that sometimes the tune gets long-winded and boring. The piper may be in another world and enjoying the experience, but the audience my be waiting to move on. It is probably similar to my jazz experience. I really cannot stand jazz where the performer seems to go all over the place without regard to tempo, tune, or key - and yet it is a popular genre. But, I really like a rousing "When the Saints go Marching In". I guess I am not sophisticated enough...
I like to feel emotion in the song - and if I have to wonder where the next note or phrase is heading, it disturbs the mood.
I have also noted that a number of pipe tunes sound similar. It also seems that some tunes are just other tunes spliced together. Nothing wrong with it - it just does not seem as entertaining as original works. It is probably not unique to pipe music, but with only 9 notes, it may be more obvious.
I think part of it is whether you are playing for yourself or for others. If you play for yourself, then you should play whatever makes you feel good. If you are playing for others, then you should take into consideration what the audence will find entertaining. (It has to be exhasperating to play Scotland the Brave for the 9,256 time - but the general audience will feel cheated if they don't hear it.)
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Post by rick on Nov 18, 2005 3:25:42 GMT
OK - I am now enlightened I have heard Piobaireachd played well and I must say that it is now my favorite pipe music. To be able to loose oneself in a Piobaireachd is bliss - whether the rest of the world likes it or not. I can only listen at this point, but one day I will be able to play and drift along with my soul and the sound... I am sure it is not for everyone, but it is #1 in my book.
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Post by FINN on Nov 18, 2005 21:59:43 GMT
I find that when playing a good piob you have to 'loose your self' persay, mainly b/c there so long and if u remain 100% aware of everything you start to loose your ability to play (hehe) Focus on all the embelishments, thats key to a good piob, and if your afraid of the craunaluath theres a few piobs out there without them, i.e Too Long in this Condition, my first piobaireachd, and if you want to go into craunnaluaths from that try The MacDoughs Gathering, basicly the same tune just a few things moved around. Talk to your instructor about learning one, theres a few short n' simple ones that are fairly well known, i.e the lament for the union, or mac rae of duncans lament.
my latest tune is The Big Spree...anyone here plays that one? It NEVER ends.
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Post by malgremor on Mar 15, 2006 3:06:32 GMT
Piobaireachd is meditative. It can put you into a "zone". An altered state of conciousness, both as a listener & a player. Similar in structure to Indian ragas or the Arabic taksim form. Don't be daunted by it's seeming complexity. It's really easier to play than a lot of the popular reels & hornpipes. I daresay that if you get some Ravi Shankar recordings & listen to them, it will give you a greater appreciation of piobaireachd. It really showcases the best qualities of our instrument. Why are MacCrimmon tunes still superior to all others? What was the secret that they kept...that they never passed on to their students...that they took to the grave with them? Here is my take on this: they were concious practicioners of "objective" art. See what G.I.Gurdjieff has to say on this subject. Objective art is the deliberate manipulation of the audience's emotions & state of conciousness by the application of scientific principles...in the case of music, knowing exactly what notes & combinations thereof have what effect on human conciousness. The MacCrimmons made a science of this, & kept the secret within their family, so that modern composers, using the same structural formulae that they did, cannot come up with piobaireachd that have the same powerful objective effect as the MacCrimmon ones. My teacher was the late, great Seumas MacNeill. What a d**n shame he died before I could discuss this with him.
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Post by FINN on Mar 16, 2006 20:13:23 GMT
and some people wonder why they formed a Piobaireachd sosiety. its a slow pulsing for of music but can do things that no jig or reel can. it is a shame that all the keys to a great piobaireachd have been buried with their authers, but that dosnt mean they're lost; it just seems that everyone is too afraid to write one and be shot down by old traditionalists.
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Post by zekenstein on Mar 18, 2006 20:45:24 GMT
my tutor Iain Sherwood writes Piobreachd, he released an album with a friend of his with some of his piobreachd on it. Go to his site (Cuiillinn Craft) and go to the tunes section and you can check out the tunes and they play in the background in your browser. I doni't know if his stuff is more modern or more traditional, I'm not familiar enough with piobreachd yet, but I love listening to it so give it a whirl.
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Post by tcheuchterloon on Mar 20, 2006 10:01:13 GMT
Iain Sherwood is a very good piobaireachd composer, I think there's not enough modern piobaireachd around, this music wasn't meant to be a static entity. I'm getting back into it at the moment. Years ago I had lessons at the CoP in Glasgow from Dugald MacNeill and Jimmy Young, going through the Cop Tutor. When I moved down here I had lessons from Roger Huth & Hugh MacMillan of the Scots Guards, going through the tunes at the back of Scots Guards II. Roger than took me through His Father's Lament for Donald MacKenzie, which is a comparatively modern piob, (1863), but is absolutely gorgeous. I thought that would do me, but I've had a recent urge to learn the Earl of Seaforth's Salute after hearing the Bob's version.
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Post by zekenstein on Mar 26, 2006 0:41:38 GMT
Ya, check out Sherwood's "Lament for my Brother". It's my favorite piob so far, course i've only heard like 6, but still...
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Post by tcheuchterloon on Apr 6, 2006 11:36:44 GMT
Iain's Golden Gate piob is rather good too. The Armed & Dangerous CD is good stuff, I don't have a copy, but it's on my "to-do" list. Brian Donaldson is a beaut of a hornpipe, in the 3rd part, 4th bar, there's a 6 note rundown onto a birl from B with a high G gracenote, the timing of which has me bawling. I'm not sure if it's still the case, but Iain certainly used to be the only US member of An Comunn Na Piobaireachd, the Piobaireachd Society. Like me, he is also an SPSL member. Although I'm based over here, I bought some Wygents off him by mail order when all this synthetic reed business was still fairly new. They're still going! You are lucky to have such a well known teacher in the SF area.
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Post by zekenstein on Apr 17, 2006 4:43:07 GMT
ya, he gave me a copy of the cd (benefit of being his student) it's a killer cd. It has "Lament for my Brother" on it, a moving Piob written for his brother. He just started me on Piobreachd on last Thursday with "Cronan na Caillich sa Bheinn Bhric" AKA "The Old Woman's Lullaby." It's a fairly short piobreachd, probly like 7-8 minutes in length but very powerful nevertheless. I have to admit, I love playing Piobreachd more than anything, it's so inveloping (i think that's the right word) and just pulls you in and releaves all of ur troubles...
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Post by FINN on Apr 18, 2006 23:02:05 GMT
i find if im having trouble concentrating, or am angry and trying to practice a good driving steady piob dose it, gets me right in the 'mood'. it, in some case be considered a complected warm up, allows you to become "one with the pipe"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 1:42:26 GMT
My pipe teacher one night after practice asked if anyone would be interested in learning piobaireachd. Never heard it played but i knew it was the 'classical' music of pipes so i took up lessons. was the only one who did. the following tuesday just bout sunset, practice was over and my teacher started practicing "the company's lament" a piobaireachd tune and the whole year or so i've been playing, never had the sound from a bagpipe bring tears to my eyes cuz of how mesmerizing it was. but piobaireachd did, especially with the sunset. lol i'm glad i took up lessons.
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Post by drunkenpiper88 on Feb 5, 2008 12:06:24 GMT
I love piobaireach, so relaxing. Good if your stressed, you can just lose yourself in it and forget why you were stressed in the first place.lol
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Post by viperpiper123 on Jul 13, 2008 23:15:38 GMT
I like piobaireachd its long and annoying but its different and thats what i like about it...my instructor jimmy mcintosh went to balmoral castle to get instruction for piobaireachd by bob nicol and bob brown and now jimmy started when he was about 11 and he is still playing to this day he is 83 and he still has 100's of piobaireachds in his head....amazing
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Post by billwright on Nov 21, 2009 6:23:42 GMT
ah piobaireachd,the best pipe music, and in my opinion the true pipe music,played correctly its beautiful,but a few mistakes can tear a tune to crap
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